i want a dvx100 really bad... soon im gonna be having enuff money saved to start thinking about buying a camera. I know the DV100 is good for making short films, but how is the ruggedness of the camera? Cuz unfortunatly to make good money im going to need a camera with a lot of ruggedness to make videos for a church that ia payin me good money. I heard that the xl1s is a lil bit more durable. do any of you have a suggestion?

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Wow you must have a pretty rough church.

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The xl1s is considered by some to be more rugged, and the image stabilizer is the best in any camera I've seen. If your doing alot of running ENG stuff, then the xl1 might work better, but most usually, the dvx100 will be rugged enough as well. I heard that one filmmaker took it to the north pole in sub freezing temps, and the camera still held up, even though on the specs it listed otherwise (at such a low degree temperature). Plus the xl1 is easier to mount over your shoulder, and is thus easier to run with sometimes with stability.

If you are only making "videos" for church, then I would go with the XL1. Now if you want to make movies "films" to send off to festivals then get the DVX100.

Iâ™ve done a lot of weddings and private party videos and they like sharp crystal clear type video usually. But when making a narrative Iâ™ve always had more success with using a camera that imitates the 24FPS look. Although the XL1 does have "frame" mode, which gives you that choppy look. But the DVX100's color is gorgeous.

Just keep researching them both as you're doing now.

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Id have to go with the DVX here (everyone togethere now, "We know, we know.." Hold on give me a sec)

The XL1 is a bit easier with the semi shoulder brace but I wouldnt call it more durable. At my old school we had 6 XL1's. 8 times they had to be sent out because the screws holding the lens on had been stripped out due to improper use. The improper use was how 1st year film students were setting the camera down. It is front heavy duie to the lens and they would hold it by a handle on the back. Everytime they set in on the ground the lens hit first. enough pressure stripped out the screws.

That lens is held on by so little it makes it just dying to break.

If you get the DVX you will not only have the camera you want but can most liley impress your church by shooting services in 24p and cine like gamma.
R. Michael

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The XL1 also lacks XLR inputs, which I believe the DVX has built-in. This is a major plus.

yeah im glad u guys told me exactly what i wanted to hear!!!!! thanks!

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Green Sky Productions

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At my old school we had 6 XL1's. 8 times they had to be sent out because the screws holding the lens on had been stripped out due to improper use.

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My school had the same problem.I guess the newbies don't take care of the cameras.

I treated the cameras at my school like crap cause......well they WERE crap.

They looked like this THING, only WORSE;


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The XL1 also lacks XLR inputs, which I believe the DVX has built-in. This is a major plus.

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This is true JW, but you can purchase the MA-100 for the XL-1, and it has two xlr inputs.

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VX? Neither the VX-1000, nor the VX-2000 have interchangeable lenses. The Ag-DVX 100 also lacks interchangeable lenses if that's what you mean.

Whatever camera you get, don't abuse it. They're delicate things regardless of how durable they feel. This doesn't mean they can't handle heavy amounts of production, just don't do anything stupid like allowing the lens to absorb the shock whenever you put it down etc... Most film-school cameras regardless of model or academic institution will be beat up beyond recognition because most film students don't take proper care of them.

Nota "Had a few thousand feet of 16mm ruined because some schmuck dropped a school lens and didn't tell anyone" Mono

i meant DVX100, sorry. and that sucks that it doesnt..

are there any lens attachments made for it, like fish eye or wide angle? and how is the macro focus?

also, does anyone make an underwater housing for it?

thanks, B

ps- i dont abuse anything, let alone expensive gear... anyone who does is irrational and should be put asleep. sorry for your run-in with morons who damaged your 16mm film.

There is an underwater housing for the DVX because ive seen underwater footage.

The macro focus is great. I have found it much easier to rack focus with then the XL1 ever was (for me anyway) Plus that lens has a pretty shallow field of focus when zoomed out.

There is a prime lens adapter for it though. A buddy who owns a studio in Miami says he just got what he was told is the only DVX prime lens adapter in the united states (who knows if its true) and he said the images are incredible. I told him to send pics. As soon as he does Ill be sure to post them.
R. Michael

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The XL1 also lacks XLR inputs, which I believe the DVX has built-in. This is a major plus.

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This is true JW, but you can purchase the MA-100 for the XL-1, and it has two xlr inputs.

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Yeah, but how much does that thing cost? A few hundred? A grand? It's just another expense for a camera that's already expensive to own.

Besides, having something built-in is always going to be better quality than going through an adaptor.

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having something built-in is always going to be better quality than going through an adaptor

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Ugh, I wish my built in mic would adhere to that statement.... Hehehe

JW the M-100 is about 150 and the M-200 is about 250.

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YELLOW HAMMER PRODUCTIONS

FWIW, those cannon adapters are natoriously noisy. It's much, much better to go with a studio one or beachtek, which cost 100-250 depending on model. ...not that this pertains to the original topic.

joren

Joren, is this true? are you talking about the M100 and M200 models?

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YELLOW HAMMER PRODUCTIONS

I'm talking about the MA-100 and MA-200. First of all, you shouldn't be shooting in 4 channel 12 bit mode, so you'd have no use for the MA-200. But yes, I've heard from several reliable sources that the Canon adapters are noisy. The only times I've used the xl-1 is with a beachtek, so I don't have personal experience, but I trust who I heard it from.