I'm surprised everyone hated Death Proof. I thought it was the better film, but Planet Terror was definately way more fun. And this is coming from someone who hates Tarantino's endless wink at the camera dialogue. A lot of the characters and dialogue in Death Proof were pretty gross (Zoe Bell=super unattractive, like the woman she doubled for, Uma Thurman), such as the Zatoichi reference which sort of made me sick a little. But how could you not have found Kurt Russel excellent?

And you missed a pretty good car chase. And the ending was one of the funniest and most dead on homages in the whole thing.

I did find myself looking at my watch during some of the dialogue in Death Proof. I have never been bored by Tarantino before but it just felt like he just kept going on forever. I absolutely loved the car chase and ending of the movie and I can say it was a great film. It just is hard to stay attached to after Planet Terror has that constant action all the time and Death Proof has a much slower pace to it before it picks up.

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Is anyone else suprised this got away with an "R" rating?

I read they had to cut a good amount out in order to get the R rating. They were headed for NC-17.

I heard, actually, that they didn't cut that much. I know they cut the vagina getting stabbed (it's covered up by a little film blemish now).

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I heard, actually, that they didn't cut that much. I know they cut the vagina getting stabbed (it's covered up by a little film blemish now).

Yeah, that's what I was wondering about. I didn't even notice that it had the film scratch covering it.

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I was so dissapointed. Planet Terror had some awesome visuals, and some very funny dialogue moments, and was a thumbs up movie. But Death Proof was the worst movie I've seen since A History of Violence. The first half wasn't bad, and Russell did a great job of acting. But the second half with Zoe Bell and those other disgusting *****s made me sick. Tarantino didn't ruin this movie with his directing, it was the dialogue that was just putrid. The 20 minute coffee scene is straight up torture chamber material. The women cannot act their ways out of paper bags, and the entire scene is boredom personified. Absolutely no pay-off (i.e. their brutal murders) and the car chase scene was NOT awesome. Brutally long and stupid. The whole operation was a mess. Tarantino's war movie, I can guarantee you, will be incredible though. He has to make up for this filth. That all being said, the trailers were the best part of the experience. Thanksgiving was the greatest thing I've seen in a long time and Eli Roth should really think about expanding it into a feaure. Don't was hilarious as well. I wish Roth would take some of the style he used in Thanksgiving for a real horror film, that would harken back to these old 70's horror classics like Texas Chainsaw or The Hills have eyes instead of Hostel. Roth has some talent, and I know he can make something worthwhile if he puts his mind to it. That was the best thing I took from the film, Roth's potential.

Had a great time at this movie. Although at the end of Death Proof I wanted to see the look on Jasper's face when the girls returned his Challenger all smashed up. Loved the ending anyway, though.

Only 11 milion (budget was around 65 million plus 45 more for marketing) and 4th at the boxoffice opening weekend then dropping to tenth this weekend making a total so far of 19.7 mill so far. A monumental flop indeed considering boxoffice dollars appeared to be the only goal for everyone involved.

But honestly after Pulp Fiction and RR's book I'll always respect these guys, even when they subject us to their arrested development. And The Wienstiens can never be counted out I'm sure they'll all rebound.

I think the reason this flopped was the miniscule appeal of Tarantino's half. It is extremely difficult to keep an audience enthralled when you have 4 women sitting around a coffee table discussing unbelievably pointless crap. It is so far below Tarantino's abilities, and extremely dissapoining to watch this film crash and burn the way it did. Reservoir Dogs had a similar style to it, but the pacing was far superior. The dialogue in RD indeed slows down the movie, but it is also a joy to listen to. The dialogue in this film...well see all of my above statements and what I said in my other post. The car chase scene at the end was just a last ditch effort to bring back kurt russell and salvage the enjoyment factor. Most importantly, though, the film was entirely not in the traditional exploitation kind of style, which I feel like people would have been more entertained and interested in, thus creating the horrific failure at the box office.

I hated Kill Bill for its dialogue and presence of Uma Thurman, Lucy Liu and Michael Madsen, and the fact that most people my age didn't understand he was taking from other movies, but I really liked Death Proof. I STILL don't get why people dislike this movie so much.

The dialogue was typical Tarantino, and like I said, I did cringe at a few parts, but it fit the type of movie he was trying to make. People keep complaining it had a lot of dialogue, yet are still jizzing over essentially the same exact scene from Resevoir Dogs, and the endless ramblings of Pulp Fiction. I think Kill Bill had even worse lines, mostly because they were delivered by Uma ThurMAN, who's ugly and stupid and a ****ty actress.

But the actresses here are stunt women or whatever, and they're supposed to be ****ty. But I guess Kill Bill was supposed to be like a B movie too. Or something. I guess I can't justify why I like Death Proof and not Kill Bill. Maybe it's because I love most of the movies Kill Bill was inspired by, and having an homage consisting of a bunch of bad actors I hate kind of ruins it. But what I don't get is why people jizz over Tarantino's other films, and say he sold out on this one, when it's pretty much the same thing he always does, just slightly more reserved (which is a good thing, I think).

It flopped cause of bad advertising. No one's saying "don't see it" even if they didn't like Death Proof. On the other hand, most people haven't heard of it, or have no idea what it is.

I can't agree that the advertising was the problem as it was really all over the place the week prior to the release. Not to mention the whole campaign was trying to teach me about B-movies and why I should like them.

It simply seems that the nostalgia for B-movies isn't shared with as large of an audience as they imagined. Plus this is Tarantino/Rodriguez's fetish and to force it down our throats just wasn't going to work. And three hours of tounge and cheek content borders on smugness. Also I' starting to believe some of those rumors about Roger Avery being the true talent behing Resevior Dogs and Pulp Fiction Tarantino hasn't been the same since they split.

Plus the image alone of Rose McGowan jumping over an exploding truck with a machine gun leg was enough to keep most folks away. There are only so many potheads out there.

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Also I' starting to believe some of those rumors about Roger Avery being the true talent behing Resevior Dogs and Pulp Fiction Tarantino hasn't been the same since they split.

I'm terrified of that. It's Avary by the way. But, yeah I'm extremely terrified that you're correct.

Now, The problem with this movie was that yeah, the dialogue was supposed to be crap like in those so-called 'B' movies, but there was no dedication to the original exploitation films that were brutally violent and way over-the-top! Nothing about this movie was over the top. Nothing at all. We were supposed to be offended like 4 times a second, but I was offended never! It just pissed me the f*ck off! No exploitation film ever had 4 women talking to eachother in a f*cking coffee table for 1 quarter of the movie. NONE. If it was really true to its source, those women would be raped and naked within the first 3 minutes. That's not to say I WANTED that, it's just if you're saying the shortcomings I'm pointing out are because "it's supposed to be bad", then why not take the rest of the material, as well? It just doesn't make any sense to me. "Thanksgiving" had everything right on the button. THAT would be incredible, if he expands it into a feature. IF he kept it in that style, that would be real exploitation homage at its finest.

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I hated Kill Bill for its dialogue and presence of Uma Thurman, Lucy Liu and Michael Madsen

Uma and Lucy I understand, but Michael Madsen? Are you serious?

I disagree. Uma is awesome in Kill Bill. I didn't like Resivoir Dogs at all, and Pulp Fiction wasn't half bad, but Kill Bill is the only Q.T. movie I really enjoyed.

Kill Bill had real Tarantino dialogue and good actors who can play it. Death Proof had imitations of both.

That's weird. I liked Resivoir Dogs the best. Pulp Fiction was ok, and Kill Bill just kinda didn't do it for me. There were a few scenes that were good, but over all it just wasn't all that great for me.

To those of you who mention Kill Bill, are you referring to Vol 1, or 2, or both? I personally think that vol. 2 is way better than 1.

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Resivoir Dogs

If you're going to put down one of the greatest movies of all time, at least spell the name right.

R-E-S-E-R-V-O-I-R

I apologize. It was some ungodly hour of the night, and I forgot that I don't know how to spell that word