After seeing this film for the second time recently, I realise how good it is. It really was excellently put together, and whether you like Michael Moore or not, this is defintely well made. What do you reckon?

Yeah, it was a fantastic film!

Oh dear god, please just close this thread now. I can't take it anymore. The disscusion's already raging in "What is the American Dream?"

elliott...

I'm afraid I can't close it until it goes bad. How about this... everyone try not to let it go bad. ok?

It's well-made, and I do find myself in agreement with plenty of what Moore says. But he's a disgrace as a supposed journalist, and this film is less a documentary than another starring-vehicle for Moore. Real documentarists do not parade themselves in front of the camera and beg their viewers to shed a tear by leaving a picture of a dead girl in front of Charlton Heston's house.

yeah, not a documentary by any means. being a little bit toward one side or another is fine, i've never really seen anything that's 100% down the middle. it was amusing, but i dont care for it anymore.

I loved this film (and Michael Moore's TV show) when I was 16-17 and was a Democrat. However, after turning 18 and having some new experiences things changed. I'd begun to walk the line politically and sway more towards the right, especially due to issues like Section 8 and Welfare. I watched Columbine, and again, found some of the things in it funny (Duck and Cover) but I also realized that it's not so much a documentary as it is Michael Moore just being preachy.

I liked March of the Penguins better. It didn't amusingly push Michael Moore's crappy political agenda in my face. Sorry.

Argh! There are at least five different forms of documentary filmmaking! The fact that Moore participates in the film doesn’t make it any less a documentary, it's just a particular style.

And i have my suspicions those penguins are communist witches.

i cant stand these baby types of documentaries where all people do is go around and complain. in supersize me the guy almost started crying b/c he ate a hamburger, then he threw up. He thought kids shouldnt be allowed to drink lemonade, what a crybaby.

also i thought this movie was put together well, some parts made me think it was going to be a great movie, then he just started turning into an jerk and trying to make people look bad b/c he didnt like them personally or politically.

he was invited into someones house, then when was asked to leave nicely he turned into a jerk and wouldnt go. then he exploited the dead children that the man had nothing to do with... if this man had nothing to do with the kids dying, why would you put their picture infront of his house and cry like it was his fault? b/c your a huge jerk that cares about nobody but yourself.

LOL This will get ugly. ...again. ...for the third or fourth time.

This has proven to be a very emotional subject to many. I encourage people to support or cite their statements so there isn't a lot of "yes it is"/"no it's not".

And this whole notion of whether it's a documentary or not is just stupid. It is. By the Academy's standards. By all recognized film and arts group this is a documentary. And it very easily falls into at least one of the different types of contemporary documentaries: Classic, Poetic, Fly on the Wall, Cinema Vérite, Reflexive, Performative, Docu-drama ,Drama documentary. So, if you don't think it's a documentary, you don't know what a documentary is. Go argue about how pompus he is, but you can't discredit the film by saying it's not a doc.

I do not like Michael Moore or Bowling For Columbine.
I do not think he is a good filmmaker, because in every movie that I can think of that he's made, he always plants anti-republican and anti-conservative views and jokes in them. That's all he does. He never changes perspective. It's one thing to do it in a single movie and moving on to something else, but he's yet to stop. That's just being an ass.
Being from Oklahoma, I've been more or less raised to Republican and Conservative beliefs, but even past that, I still don't like the man or his movies or his motives. And being a gun collector with my father, I support my second amendment rights, and while I am sorry for the familes of those lost at Columbine, I most certainly disagree with Bowling for Columbine's message.
I actually plan on joining the army when I graduate, because I believe in supporting my country no matter what choices the leader makes.
Sorry to get serious, but that's my opinion.

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I actually plan on joining the army when I graduate, because I believe in supporting my country no matter what choices the leader makes.

That's sad

We DO live here. But whatever, everyone's got their own opinion.

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So, if you don't think it's a documentary, you don't know what a documentary is.

Of course, there is the issue about the veracity of the facts presented in the movie - the deceptive edits during the Willie Horton commercial and Heston's speech, the exclusion of information potentially absolving to accused parties - and that's grounds enough to dismiss the film. For the record, I never said Bowling for Columbine was not a documentary. I do think Moore is not a good journalist and not a good documentarist. I appreciate some things he has said and done; I just hate the manner in which he presents his ideas and himself.

I must admit that I loved this film up until the last couple minutes. Moore made something great, but the second he started going off on Heston I totally lost interest in the film. It is really horrible how he attacks a man who was later diagnosed with Alzheimer's by accusing him of showing up at tragedies. Otherwise I liked this film up to that point.

Woah, I didnt relaise people felt so strongly about the film. I just thought that the way it was put together (whether its a doc or not) was great.)
How funny/weird was that dude with the gun under his pillow! "There's a lot of whacko's out there."

That guy still haunts me.