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Alumnus
| quote: 1.Look Who's Coming To Dinner (1967, Sidney Poiter. I just saw this movie a few weeks ago, it REALLY caught me. Everything just works so well for it!)
I thought I'd correct ya just not to confuse anyone...the movie is "Guess who's coming to dinner" not 'look' TACO WAGON PRODUCTIONS? "Violence in Movies? It's much more interresting to see a car exploding, than to see it parking" -Quentin Tarantino "They look like psychos? Is that what they look like? They were Vampires. Psychos do not EXPLODE when sunlight hits them. I don't give a f*** how crazy they are!" - George Clooney in 'From Dusk Till Dawn' | | | | Posts: 1073 | Location: Sacramento, CA | Registered: April 02, 2003 |  
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Alumnus
| quote: quote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CITIZEN KANE ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Someone explain to me what's up with this film...
Citizen Kane is on my bottom list for several reasons. One being that i personally think its a bad movie. Two is that anyone who says they like it can't explain why they like it and it allways comes out as a bunch of BS. Three...I can't remember the 3rd reason so I'll repeat that I think it's a bad movie. Citizen Kane is highly praised probably because some f***-head back when it came out, (who I'm sure was famous) saw it and thought it was amazing....since "he" thought it was amazing everyone had to jump on the bandawagon and go along with him. And for some reason that bandwagon is still on the trail. I can see the film being innovative or fantastic at it's time, but c'mon. It's retarded & boring. So many critics are idiots saying it's on their top five best movies of all time. This movie can only appeal to a small amount of audiences...and I still havnt found that audience who REALLY loves the movie...(that is unless some guy watched Citien Kane back in the '40s, locked him self up in a box for seventy years, then came out and praised the film not knowing that film has changed) People and film critics who love this film are usually arrogant ego driven mofos who just love to go along with everybody else. That's why I hate Citien Kane. TACO WAGON PRODUCTIONS© "They look like psychos? Is that what they look like? They were Vampires. Psychos do not EXPLODE when sunlight hits them. I don't give a f*** how crazy they are!" - George Clooney in 'From Dusk Till Dawn' | | | | Posts: 1073 | Location: Sacramento, CA | Registered: April 02, 2003 |  
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Freshman
| Many people consider older movies as better since they have stood the test of time. Now films that have been released in the last decade can also be classics, after they stand the test of time as well. That is afterall what defines Classic.
The Citizen Kane phenom has a lot to do with the battle between Orson Welles and Willam Randolph Herst. Welles had a string of incredible stage successes as well as operating the Mercury Theater radio show. Then he turned 23, landed a huge studio contract and decided to construct a epic satrical film about WRH and his vast empire.
CK for its time was a groundbreaking movie. It used lighting and film techniques which were new for the time. It used experimental lenses, had grand sets, and a massive budget, all of which were unheard of at this time, especially for a FIRST TIME FILMMAKER in his EARLY TWENTIES.
There is a LOT to appreciate about this film if you do some background research about it. I think you will see it in a whole new light.
As for my fav film of all time it would probably be a tie between It's a Wonderful Life and Casablanca. | | | |
Alumnus
| quote: There is a LOT to appreciate about this film if you do some background research about it. I think you will see it in a whole new light.
No. Believe me...my moron film teacher was obsessed with Orson f****** fa*g** Welles. He noted a certain scene with a certain Cockatoo Bird where you can see the picture through the eye...stupid. The movie WAS probably good for it's time...I can understand that.I can appreciate it for what It might have been. But for todays standards...it's boring. If movies today had plots similar to that of Citizen Kane film would suck massive balls. I will, and always, HATE Citizen Kane. The only reason i'd EVER watch it again is if Quentin Tarantino or Martin Scorsese re-made it and instead of a political figure he, Kane, is a crime boss and Samuel L. Jackson and John Travolta ressurect their roles as bad-ass hitmen in black...but they'll be the reporters. Hopefully no one will ever re-make this POS. One because even if it WAS better than the original...people would hate it JUST because they are so stuck on the bandwagon they have to love what the majority loves...plus no one likes remakes........  TACO WAGON PRODUCTIONS© "They look like psychos? Is that what they look like? They were Vampires. Psychos do not EXPLODE when sunlight hits them. I don't give a f*** how crazy they are!" - George Clooney in 'From Dusk Till Dawn' | | | | Posts: 1073 | Location: Sacramento, CA | Registered: April 02, 2003 |  
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Alumnus
| the ebert commentary shows the extreme technicality of the film. ebert claims there were more special effects in CK then there were in star wars. betcha didn't see that the first time you saw it. he also shows the process in which the film was made and the great cinematography by tollan. it also goes indepth to the struggle to get the film made and how welles was never given full control after CK dispite the film it turned out to be. don't be ignorant. if you watch the commentary and still hate it and look at it the same then CK will never appeal to you. | | | |
Alumnus
| quote: ebert claims there were more special effects in CK then there were in star wars. betcha didn't see that the first time you saw it.
I seriousely doubt that. Basically every shot in outerspace is considered a 'special effect' and there is a lot in space. Citizen Kane wasn't in space.  TACO WAGON PRODUCTIONS© "They look like psychos? Is that what they look like? They were Vampires. Psychos do not EXPLODE when sunlight hits them. I don't give a f*** how crazy they are!" - George Clooney in 'From Dusk Till Dawn' | | | | Posts: 1073 | Location: Sacramento, CA | Registered: April 02, 2003 |  
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Freshman
| I find the documentary on the same DVD set to be a great watch as well. This film was a huge, titanic struggle to get released. | | | |
Alumnus
| the matrix wasnt set in outer space either. are you saying that therefore it doesn't have any special effects? think about what you are saying. watch the commentary if possible to understand. | | | |
Freshman

| You didn't explain why you don't like Citizen Kane, just why you don't like the people who like Citizen Kane. In fact, no one who has bad mouthed it has been able to come up with an adequate argument to derail CK as a great film. I mean, you guys say that Welles has nothing on Tarantino, but Why? Cuz Q.T. makes over stylized films with guns and no substance? Cuz his films have gore and the people say a lot of bad words? Anyone who has a hint real knowledge of a filmmaker is supposed to do can, at the very least, appreciate the mastery of Welles over the motion picture; not because his films were good, "at that time," (the genius of Welles's ability to tell a story through moving images does not fade over time), but because they are well made, meaningful films.
I, personally, don't think CK is the greatest film of all time, but I can appreciate its artistry and meaning. The way I view it, the movie is not just a satire of Hearst, but on the entire American political and economic system. But that would probably just bore people, You need to watch Kane not expecting the greatest movie of all time, just view it as a movie and it is a very entertaining film. | | | | Posts: 160 | Location: Colorado | Registered: February 22, 2003 |  
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Alumnus
| quote: Cuz his films have gore
First off, his films don't have "gore" they have some blood....but definetely not blood. "Dawn of the Dead" has gore... As far as Citizen Kane...I don't like it. Ifelt the story was nothing fun or special. I thought it was boring. I didn't like any of the characters. I didn't think the dialogue was good. I thought some scenes just dragged on and on...i.e the puzzle part. And whate makes me hate if more is the people who love it for all this but then call movies like Titanic bad (just using this as an example...but I do ate Titanic) When Titanic is a long assed boring movie too...but I'd pick Titanic any ol day before Kane. quote: Cuz Q.T. makes over stylized films with guns and no substance?
I don't like Quentin Tarantino for the violence. Any bod can film somebody getting shot a few times. I don't like him for his stylized violence. I like him for his dialogue. His dialogue is some of the best in movies. Their are are two types of dialogue; dialogue that furthers the plot & dialogue about nothing. I still think the dialogue in the sitcom "Seinfeld" is the best...but after that comes Tarantino. I like it becuase it's interesting to listen to. I didn't find anything discussed in Citizen Kane that I found interesting. TACO WAGON PRODUCTIONS© "They look like psychos? Is that what they look like? They were Vampires. Psychos do not EXPLODE when sunlight hits them. I don't give a f*** how crazy they are!" - George Clooney in 'From Dusk Till Dawn' | | | | Posts: 1073 | Location: Sacramento, CA | Registered: April 02, 2003 |  
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| I agree that QT's dialogue is interesting and probably the best, by itself; but you have to realize that the dialogue in most of Tarantino's movies help further an appropriate tone for the film. The same kind of drifting, entertaining dialogue in Pulp Fiction wouldn't work for Citizen Kane, and if all you watch a movie for is dialogue, then you're right, you probably won't get much fun out of CK.
Second, Titanic does suck, Citizen Kane is good, but they are neither the same or should ever, EVER be compared to each other. The reason CK is good is because it has a meaning, and the director uses his artistry to convey the meaning in the best way possible. The reason Titanic sucks is because it is just a cheesy romance to carry the movie until the Titanic goes down; there is no artistry, and no meaning to the film. It is just a monster of spent money and special FX in order to make money. The difference between the FX in Kane and Titanic is that Kane's FX were used in furthering the meaning and plot, while Titanic is just a disgustingly expensive movie in order to sell tickets. | | | | Posts: 160 | Location: Colorado | Registered: February 22, 2003 |  
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Alumnus
| The reason CK may seem boring is that it was made in a time where the profit was surpassed by the product. Today it is pathetically the other way around. | | | |
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