I never understood "death penalty".Its like revenge: "You Kill I kill you".
I believe Sadam was in fact a ditactor but what about Bush...
Did or did not Bush and his troups killed innocents in Iraq? I guess they did.What´s going to happen to them? Nothing.
I guess we´re back to the medieval age.Death by hanging is barbaric...

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I never understood "death penalty".Its like revenge: "You Kill I kill you".

Yes, it really balances it out.

Some, including me, might say that 9/11 was just another example of things "balancing out."

Frankly this is absurd. I can't even begin to grasp how you can involve the US in a decision made by an Iraqi court on how to punish their own dictator. Ascribe it to medievalism if you like, but it's *their* medievalism, which hasn't lifted from the Muslim world for a long, long time.

The British used hanging in Singapore until very recently. And as far as I know Bush was not standing in Falluja slitting people's throats with his bare hands (although that would have been interesting, to say the least).

You've truly taken the completely irrational European rhetoric to a new level, connecting a legally-determined punishment for Saddam to your unconcealed hatred for the current administration and producing something beyond all reason.

Remember what part of the world Hammurabi's code originated in? For you to deny a people the right to try and punish their own dictator is the ultimate resurrection of appalling Eurocentric colonialism. Why doesn't (Western) Europe stage their own intervention (aka occupation) of the Middle East to prevent these sort of 'barbarisms'? Oh yeah... who does that remind you of?

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Originally posted by Hill Dawson Kane:
Some, including me, might say that 9/11 was just another example of things "balancing out."

Explain.

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Originally posted by JoeMomma:

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Originally posted by Hill Dawson Kane:
Some, including me, might say that 9/11 was just another example of things "balancing out."

Explain.

I'm not entirely sure, but I think he's saying that we deserved it.

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Originally posted by JoeMomma:

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Originally posted by Hill Dawson Kane:
Some, including me, might say that 9/11 was just another example of things "balancing out."

Explain.

I'm not entirely sure, but I think he's saying that we deserved it.

That's what was I thinking. I'd like to see how one could back that statement up.

First of all:

Godd riddance to the S.O.B. He's getting whats coming to him. He should be hanged then shot.

Bush has killed innocents. Its stupid people in the military representing us that have killed innocents, and they also deserve punishment.

No forgiveness for murder. Criminals thrive on society's "understanding."

Second of all:

it will never happen. He will manipulate the system somehow and he will spend the rest of his days in a comfy cell with cable television.

Third:

I'm interested also in that statement made by HDK. Those people in the towers/planes had nothing to do with things that were done 10-20 years ago.

what an irrelevant topic for a film site. dont expect to get any contributions remotely politically worthwhile. take this argument to another forum where people arent usually arguing about how outrageous it was that they remade 'the wicker man'.

which it was.

What an irrelevant complaint for a thread in the off-topic forum.

Hey Evan, maybe you also think that kennedy and Martin Luther King´s Assassination
wasn´t Barbaric at all. Well, I do and evreyone who believes in democracy.
American GOVERNMENT has a strange way to deal with those "rocks in the shoe".

Saddam (ex bush senior buddy) was a ruthless dictator.No doubt.He didnt had NO WMD but he deserved to go prision.
The Iraquian court are just a bunch of "bush little toys" thats why amnesty internacional said it wasn´t a fair trial in the first place.

British (England, Scots Ireland?!?) had death penalty until very recently?! I dont believe thats correct.

America is the only "developed" with death penalty (some states).

You should watch more BBC and less FOX.

Cheers

PS- about your silly comment on european colonialism...
Europe´s colonialism ended hundred years ago.We live in a post modern age now.Actually the only one who believes in imperialim is Bush.Do you remember the last elected president who also believed in Imperialism? I tell you: Hitler!

a.h. ;-* , filmmakers care about the world you know. Even spielberg cares about politics...

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globalism is a very terrifying word, and the last 3-5 presidents have done nothing but work toward that, democrat and republican alike.

All the same but...
republicans have a huge passion for armed conflicts.
If Clinton was president 9-11 wouldnt have happened.

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"Now that's what I call a 'shared' moment."

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I'm interested also in that statement made by HDK. Those people in the towers/planes had nothing to do with things that were done 10-20 years ago.

Well, I'm sure Saddam honestly believes he did the right thing, deep down in the cockles of his heart, maybe below the cockles, maybe in the sub cockles area, maybe in the liver, maybe in the kidneys,, maybe even in the colon, we don't know. Just the same as I'm sure people getting their mocha-frappa-latte-chino on Sept. 11 2001 felt they were doing the right thing in going to work. Do I think Saddam deserves to be put to death? No, I'm against the death penalty and the whole "eye for an eye leaves us blind" and what have you in that it only makes us, or the gov'ts we support as barbaric as those we condemn. Did the people who died on 9/11 deserve that horrific and terrible death? Of course not, they just wanted to live in a world where there is a Starbucks on every fifth floor. But there's a good reason, nonetheless, that Saddam is getting hanged. Just as equally there was a good reason for what happened on 9/11, and I continue, not justification, cause nothing justifies the killing of other humans in my mind. It was something more than Tim McVeigh not wanting to wear "tags" on the back of his car or Whitman just being fuct in the head. And obviously the entire Western world has done nothing but prove that 9/11 was a wakeup call ignored. Would you like fries with that?

when Clinton was President, he knew they were planning 9/11.

God dammit, we can't blame it on a single person. So many people are to blame for the lack of preperation, you and me included. Don't make a stupid claim you can't prove. You have no way to prove if Clinton were president it never would have happened. All you are doing is living in the past on ifs and buts. The point is it happened, and Bush 1, 2 and Clinton are all to blame. You are full of nothing but conjectures on what COULD have happened. A lot of things could have happened, but guess what, it happened one way already, and we only had on shot to get it right. Several people got it wrong, so you and me better start figuring out a way to fix it. Don't rely on your precious Clinton to fix everything.
May I remind you he was getting head while talking world issues with Syria. Now THAT'S real good national security.

Republicans have a very strong sense of armed conflict yes. I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but armed conflict is only part of the globalization process. Democrats are working their butts off to create one global economy. Some call it global unification, but the only place it will lead is one world leader. There will never be unity among billions of people. There isn't even any unity between two people in the same room. Like Communism, its a nice dream, looks good on paper, but will never work.

HDK, I'm not catholic, and I know you pretty much aren't religious, but have you seen the picture of the Pope shaking hands with Adolf Hitler, both of them with a huge smile on their face. do you think the Pope regretted that when Hitler started showing his true colors?
An dwhat about Churchiill making thsoe deals with Russia just before the cold war? Do you think he regretted that?

The past presidents and politicians over the past couple years have been working for globalization/imperialism, whatever you wanna call it, and they are slowly, but surely winning.

To the moderators, sorry about the very negative post, but I feel this was something that NEEDED to be said.

Fellini and Hill Dawson,

Your comments are absolutely ridiculous. I am not pro-Bush in any sense, but Fellini - you say that if Clinton was President then 9-11 wouldn`t have happened? Don't get me wrong, I love Clinton and his policies, but Al Qaeda's entire PLAN for 9-11 began development in August of 1999... who was president at that point? CLINTON!
You really think the terrorists came up with this huge elaborate plan to attack the States, and then only carried it through because Bush got elected?
Osama: Okay! Gore lost! We go with the plan!
Al Zarqawi: Wait! They're doing a Florida recount...
Osama: Okay! Delay the attack!

No.


And Hill Dawson Kane,
You sound like you're really artsy and all and you have an excellent writing style... but the grasp of the whole situation you betray is like the most angsty anti-conformist stereotype I've ever come across. Very Greenday.
"Ugh. Those stupid mocha-drinking conformists in New York deserve to die for subscribing to the capitalist corporate machine that is running this country and secretly feeding the terrorists money and bombs. Wake up people! If you don't stop subscribing to corporate idealism then you will die. This is a wake up call!"

It's nobodies call whether Saddam deserves to die or not except the court of Iraq... but if it was MY family that was mustard gassed by his regime for being Kurdish then I wouldn't be too thrilled at the prospect of Saddamn in his cell enjoying steak dinners and CNN either.

Timmy: God bless us, everyone.

Fade to Balck

The End.

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It's nobodies call whether Saddam deserves to die or not except the court of Iraq... but if it was MY family that was mustard gassed by his regime for being Kurdish then I wouldn't be too thrilled at the prospect of Saddamn in his cell enjoying steak dinners and CNN either.

wow, thats a powerful point . . .

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Originally posted by zee9449:
"Ugh. Those stupid mocha-drinking conformists in New York deserve to die for subscribing to the capitalist corporate machine that is running this country and secretly feeding the terrorists money and bombs. Wake up people! If you don't stop subscribing to corporate idealism then you will die. This is a wake up call!"

Exactly. He says there is no justification for killing innocents, but then goes on to throw out some credance for the terrorists behind 9/11.