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| and how about providing a list of ALL the directors that went to film school and came out big. Not to mention that these people are exceptional directors who are truly gifted. Not everyone can achieve that level of skill. You also failed to take into account that today's method of entering the industry has changed, alot. Chances of taking apprenticeship are so much more rare than it is compared to their time.
So I guess your list just showed the top 1% of directors out there that made it without going to film school which still does not justify not considering film school.
Do not forget that some schools have extremely valuable professors who can teach you what they learned with their experience (some for several years, others: decades) instead of you learning it the hard way. | | | |
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| Well lets make that list, you will see the diferent talents and those who never went to film school are far better, methods have change and it is because of technology, now you can buy a "cheap" camera and make your own demo reel in your house, im not saying that you wont learn anything in a film school, i just say that you dont need to pay that money for an education that you can learn yourself, and also lets make a list of how many people go to film school and how many really make it, maybe 1 of 40 in a single class. And i didnt received a rejection letter, i wont apply any film school, i have learnt everything by myself, through life, reading, writting, filming, all with my own willing and money. Ridley Scott, Joel Coen and Jim Jarmusch actually never went fo film school  Jim Jarmusch drop-out because he didnt like what he saw  . Joel Coen studied phylosofy because is more useful for movies than film education itself. | | | | Posts: 7 | Location: Mexico | Registered: March 11, 2011 |  
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| Mario, the fact is there are many approaches to "making it" in the industry. You can think that you don't need film school to make it and you can throw some names of the exceptional directors who make up an extremely small percentage of all directors out there and I can throw you a list of directors who went to film school and made it. This whole arguement can go on for centuries and the end is it is up to you to decide what you want to do. Anyone can pick up a cheap ol' camcorder and shoot something but you talk as if there is no benefits whatsoever to be in film school. If there wasn't, these film schools wouldn't be in existence for such a long time and still be thriving.
Anyone can do quality work but it depends on how they operate. Some of the biggest and richest people in the world are college drop outs and high school drop outs. Should you now say you don't need to go to high school since it's not worth it?
Never forget: The names you put on the list are very exceptional people that have a mind that preferred something beyond school. Just because you go to film school does not mean that you can't study PHILOSOPHY on your own.
EDIT: by the way, just a notable alumni list from USC alone: Elizabeth Allen – Director Zeenat Aman - Actress Thom Andersen – Film critic Rob Kardashian - TV Personality Judd Apatow – Filmmaker Gregg Araki – Filmmaker John August – Filmmaker Kevin Bachus – Video game executive and co-creator of Xbox John Bailey – Cinematographer Max Bard – Film Director Walt Becker – Filmmaker Jack Bender – Executive Producer of Lost Hugh Beaumont – Actor, television director, and Methodist minister Les Blank – Documentary filmmaker Jeffrey Blitz – Filmmaker Laura Bialis – Filmmaker Paul Harris Boardman – Producer and screenwriter Robert F. Boyle – Art director and production designer Charles Braverman – Filmmaker Henry Bumstead – Art director and production designer Bryan Burk – Executive Producer of Lost Keith Calder – Producer Trey Callaway – Screenwriter and producer Andrés Cantor – Sportscaster John Carpenter – Film director Sandro Corsaro – Animator and Author Sean Covel – Producer Buster Crabbe (B.A. 1931) – actor R. J. Cutler (B.A. 1993) – Filmmaker Thomas Del Ruth – Cinematographer Scott Derrickson – Filmmaker Caleb Deschanel – Cinematographer Dean Devlin – Screenwriter and producer Susan Downey – Producer Ellis R. Dungan – Director Robert Elswit – Cinematographer Rick Famuyiwa – Director Erik Fleming – Film director and producer Verna Fields – Film editor and sound editor Dana Fox – Screenwriter William A. Fraker – Cinematographer Joe Francis – Adult film producer Bruce Geisler - Documentary filmmaker David S. Goyer – Filmmaker James Gray – Film director and screenwriter Brian Grazer – Film and television producer Taylor Hackford – Film director and producer Conrad Hall – Cinematographer Curtis Harrington – Experimental filmmaker Ron Howard – Film director and actor George Huang – Filmmaker Martin Hynes – Filmmaker James Ivory – Film director Joe Johnston – Film director Scott Alexander and Larry Karaszewski – Writers Howard G. Kazanjian – Film producer Richard Kelly – Filmmaker Irvin Kershner – Film director Karey Kirkpatrick – Screenwriter Randal Kleiser – Filmmaker Tom Klemesrud – Editor Matt Korba – Video game designer John Knoll (B.A. 1984) – Motion picture visual effects specialist, co-creator of Adobe Photoshop Ben Kurland – Actor, producer Gary Kurtz – Film producer Barry Levy – Screenwriter John Longenecker – Film director, cinematographer Robert Lovenheim – Film producer and writer Doug Liman – Film director and producer George Lucas – Film director and producer Felipe Marino – Producer Gregory Markopoulos – Filmmaker Kerry McCluggage – Film and TV executive and producer John Milius – Film director and screenwriter Herman Miller – Writer and Producer Ron W. Miller – CEO and president of Walt Disney Productions Miles Millar – Screenwriter and producer Walter Murch – Film editor Don Murphy – Producer Gustin Nash – Screenwriter Tom Neff – Film director, producer and executive Joe Neurauter – Producer Michael Nolin – Producer Tommy O'Haver – Filmmaker Tom Oesch – Director Richard Outten – Screenwriter Sam Peckinpah – Film director Brian Wayne Peterson – Screenwriter and television producer Gene Polito – Cinematographer and professor at the USC School of Cinematic Arts[5] Jon Poll – Film editor and director Jason Reitman – director Robert Rodat – Screenwriter Gene Roddenberry – Screenwriter and producer Jay Roach – Film director and producer Barry Rubinow – Film executive and editor Gary Rydstrom (B.A. 1981) – Sound designer Walter Salles – Filmmaker Josh Schwartz – Producer and creator of The O.C. John Schwartzman – Cinematographer Ben Shedd – Documentary filmmaker Sigurjón Sighvatsson – Producer Bryan Singer – Film director John Singleton – Film director Stephen Sommers – Film director Dror Soref – Filmmaker Scott Speer – Music video producer Adam Stein – Filmmaker, editor Tim Story – Film director David E. Tolchinsky – Screenwriter Ron Underwood – Film director Lee Unkrich – Film director Clay Walker – Film producer, director, cinematographer and editor Jack Warner – Founder of Warner Brothers Studios Brad Williams – Comedian David L. Wolper (B.A. 1949) – Film and television producer Robert Yeoman – Cinematographers Robert Zemeckis – Academy Award Winning Film director Laura Ziskin – Producer | | | |
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| I never said going to fiml school is a waste of time, and you wont learn anything, i said is a complete waste of money and plus if you are not reach, also i prefer to have my own method as an artist than somebody tells me how to do something in his way and not mine, of course going to filmschool you also can take phylosophy BUT it is not about doing it or not, it is about people themselves, i mean, if christopher nolan had gone to film school or not he would be christopher nolan anyway, some people think that filmschol is a golden ticket and of course it is not.
You can get feedback from anywhere on the internet or with friends or mentors from anywhere.
Your list is long but, from those names only a few have done really good things for cinema in history, when we talk about people that has changed movies we talk about people with their own method and thoughts, true artists and what happens here is that those guys never went to film school, we are free to decide what is our way but we cannot be fooled in those propotions. | | | | Posts: 7 | Location: Mexico | Registered: March 11, 2011 |  
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| If you say it's a complete waste of money then it's not worth going at all. To each their own. You can use Chris Nolan or Quentin Tarantino or any big name who were drop outs and in the end the fact remains that they are the exceptional of the bunch. You can get feedback anywhere but the question is can you get a feedback that will make your film better? Go check youtube. How many of those feedbacks are actually worth anything?
Many of the directors that you listed does not fit your criteria as well if you're considering "changing cinema".
Most of these directors are known for creating entertainment but only a few of those actually changed film making. Considering that list of director are famous people but you never mentioned that some of those are famous for their acting. not directing.
No matter how you argue it, there are many ways on how to get into the industry and your claim that film school is a waste of money is about as valid as only drop outs will make it big in the industry. | | | |
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