And this is bad publicity because? I would have never known bout this if it wasn't for this thread. I'd never know how interesting Herzog was if it wasn't for this. I'd never know who Les Blank was if it wasn't for this. So take a long walk off a short pier.Originally posted by joren:
I am to Les Blank, not the pirates. Youtube is a goliath incubator for pirates and small, independent, low-budget filmmakers like Les and Werner don't have the resources to fight them all the time.
Maybe you should find a more suitable message board to share pirated films than a independent, low-budget, student filmmaking web site.
Not before I don boardshorts and my 9'6" longboard. I only wish for you that someday you are the most popular person on youtube and yet you can't pay your electric bill.Originally posted by FashtheStampede:
So take a long walk off a short pier.
Like YouTube has the time or the money to search the thousands of videos uploaded every day for copyright violation. It's well known that's exactly what they don't do. I was agreeing with Joren's perfectly valid point.If youtube thought it was piracy they would have taken it down.
To assume something is okay to post until somebody tells you otherwise is naiive and irresponsible. Your ineptitude in this matter is staggering.From the article:
It could inherit a potentially-huge copyright infringement problem with YouTube, whose policy of allowing users to post any videos -- even copyrighted material -- has caught the attention of the entertainment industry.
Being part of a deep-pocketed larger company could be attractive for a startup company whose longer-term survival could be jeopardized by a major lawsuit over intellectual property.
By pairing with Google, YouTube may have found the financial power, as well as the technical know-how, it needs to address those concerns, Forrester's Bernoff said.
"I think YouTube's ability to survive as a standalone entity is in serious danger," he said. "Google's got engineering resources to find and take down all that copyrighted material."
Did you just ignore my previous post? Either I take your word, or the word of the general consensus of the internet and the article I posted and every other like it. YouTube may try to do some copyright enforcement but it's very obviously close to nothing. Your argument fails, because I already proved it to you.Youtube takes down videos it deems piracy all the time. So your argument fails.
TD, I think Joren was adressing the irony of posting a copyrighted short film on a student film forum. We're encouraging the very thing that may hurt us later if we are to assume we make it in the very business we're trying to get into.Joren, I do have to say, it's not anyone's fault for linking to stolen videos. As crappy as the state of copyright online is, this sort of thing is nothing new and if it's there people will watch it. If the OP hadn't linked to it, that would have done precisely nothing for its case. It's not your duty to try to protect the copyright on that. It sucks, especially since you know the guy, but Ryan's doing nothing wrong linking to it, and you can't help by telling him not to.
...I didn't. I have yet to click on that link. I'm just telling you what you're doing wrong.Like I said, if you dont want to participate in the thread then dont watch the video.
Shaming a kid for stealing candy often doesn't deter him from grabbing a few more tootsie rolls with his fat little fingers later. It takes something more like guys in black suits and earpieces to show up at his door, to abandon the metaphor. Which of course will never happen.and you can't help by telling him not to.
it should come as no surprise as this site is dedicated to, in addition to forum and conversation about film in various fasions and definitions, filmmakers, those of who use their own money to put their work online for others to see for free. I myself would have no problem with other ppl freely looking at any of my work, at any time, in fact i encourage it (see the links at the bottom, my signature?). now maybe u should do some research as to why the film industry moved west in the first place, then ull see how we're all pirates. Arggg matey!I realize I'm making a big deal out of one little link. But it's the trend and laissez-faire attitude toward pirated videos online that's the big deal and I'm very surprised a website for students creating intellectual property would tolerate it.