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Steven Spielberg: Most Consistent, Powerful Filmmaker.

Zemeckis is pretty damn cool, if I had a choice of an eternity of watching Zemeckis's flicks over watching Spielberg's, I'd choose Zemeckis. Contact was an amazing ****ing movie that kicks the ass of any E.T., Close Encounters bull****. And the Back to the Future franchise? Okay, so Marty McFly and quite the badass as Indiana Jones, but man, a time-traveling Deloreon? Robert kicks Spielberg's ass. Alright, here's a director for you, David Fincher, brilliant visionary, works with what he's given. Se7en and Fight Club were great scripts and he was able to produce to wonderful movies. No matter how brutal you think Fight Club, it will always be great for style and entertainment. I'll also use Aaronofsky now because he seems to be a four-letter word. Pi was his Jaws, just smarter. An intense, low-budget, sci-fi thriller. Requim was his Schindler's List, for lack of a deeper comparison. And made those two without massive budgets and special effects. Imagine what this man, and Fincher, could do with half the freedom or money Spielberg has for his movies. Movies would be in a better state of affairs. I don't care about Spielberg anymore, love or hate, I just want him to retire so I never have to say "that piece of **** ending is so Spielberg."

-Elliott
 
I agree with Brian.
Spielberg is a god.
I find it hard to believe that on a site swarming with wannabe filmmakers, so many people hate Spielbergs films. The man is a genius and probably will be remembered as one of the greatest (if not the greastest) filmmaker of all time. I can understand how some people would dislike a few of his films, but to bag him in the way that some of you do is ludicrous. I read some of your posts and think that some of you people are insane! And to call him overrated...I can't begin to tell you how wrong that is.
Maybe when we reach a point in our carrers when we could have just about any actor or screenplay we want, we can badmouth a man who is truly as talented as him. Until then...well.
And whats with everyone saying Spielberg ruined AI. Who's to say Kubrick wouldn't have done just as bad a job with it.
The people here seem to look for any reason they can to start arguments and put people down.
Like the man or not, nobody here can say that his films are bad when you look at how much money they rake in, the awards they win, and the way they have influenced not just the world of filmmaking but the WORLD.
I cant wait till all of you make it BIG because if you al think Spielbergs films are so bad, your films are going to be AWESOME!
Spielberg rocks.

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Its funny what films get listed as "his best"

Forget SPR, heck forget Schindlers. "Jaws", "Raiders of the Lost Ark", and "E.T." are enough that I can respect him forever.

Frankly I was pleasantly surprised by Minority Report expecting a simple Sci-Fi flick and finding a film noir hidden within. Love him or hate him I dont really care, but the guy broke ground for every single film maker that will ever make it. Theres the old, "If he hadnt done it someone else would have." but thats irrelevant. He did it. I give him props, but I dont go see every film of his that comes out.
R. Michael

"Luck, is when opportunity, meets preperation." "There are 3 sides to every story. Yours, mine, and the truth, and none of us are lying" -Robert Evans
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rellik:
I used to think of Spielberg as the master of light. Beautiful.
But then I saw Peter Jackson, and I think I am changing my mind.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Peter Jackson is the master of $hit.



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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I used to think of Spielberg as the master of light. Beautiful.
But then I saw Peter Jackson, and I think I am changing my mind.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

WHAT??? Look I love speilberg, but come on! Dont start throwing this statement around. Speilberg had NOTHING to do with the lighting in his movies, neither did Pete Jackson with his!

The masters of Light are:

Speilbergs DP's of the Past:

Janusz Kaminski
Doug Slocombe
Caleb Daschanel
Allen Daviau

Pete Jackson's DP

Andrew Lesnie

These guys are the True MASTERS OF LIGHT

"Pain is temporary, Film is forever"-Peter Jackson

"Art only does so much, and sometimes it doesn't even pay the bills!"-AFC President

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I think something needs to be pointed out here; most of the people I have seen who are arguing for Speilberg in this thread cite his films that are some of "the best movies of all time."

Whether a person likes any movie or any filmmaker or not is the sole opinion of the person. The fact that his films are considered some of the greatest, in my mind, means nothing. The thread is about what YOU think, not what the masses think. My thoughts are that he's a fantastic filmmaker, and has done some great things in his career, but is by no means the best. There are so many films out there and directors out there that I have more respect for than him; that's all. Hence my previous statement about him being overrated. I'm not being ungrateful, nor am I being ignorant to reality. I'm simply trying to be subjective, which is what everyone should try to do instead of seeing he has a bunch of movies on the AFI list and saying he's the greatest.

And as far as the statistic goes, Speilberg is the most successful director of all time. He is not the greatest. Let's try not to confuse the two.

Just my $.02
 
i like spielberg's movies...but the thing is i see them more as entertainment as opposed to something artistic. even movies like shindlers list and minority report have that glossy hollywood look to them. i dunno. his movies are enjoyable, but i cant really appreciate them at a higher level.

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This thread is a bit comical.

The thing is, Spielberg doesn't tout himself as the "BEST" (and by the way... there is no "THE BEST")..
so why do you all care to argue the point that he isn't? There is something called respect though...

How you set out to be a filmmaker and have absolutely no respect for the guy is beyond me. The guy
too k film to places it hadn't yet been (as a community). He also did this without the benefit of this
"road map", which you all now have because of people like him. There was a time when he was your
age (can you believe that?), and at that time there was no "student film net" or anything else... back
then you learned by creating , not from discussions on websites. If you cant respect the guy for what
he's accomplished.... well?


Are there directors with films that "I" like more? Absolutely! They're all the directors/films that you
guys go on about. But the thing you really need to think about is this ; all these directors you all love
and go on about (ALL OF THEM) highly respect Spielberg. Do they think he's God? Probably not,
but they highly respect him nevertheless. The bottom line is , all of your directing heroes would think
you're a fool if you walked up to them and said this stuff (so if you ever get the chance, don't make a
fool of your self and say something like "hey man I love your films, you kick Spielberg's ass , he
sucks, I have no respect for him". They'll just walk away and think your an idiot.... Honestly!) . But
hey, maybe this respect will come with maturity as a filmmaker.... let's hope so!

Having respect for someone is not the same thing as wanting to follow in their footsteps. All your
heroes recognize that fact.



Bob-Z? Yeah he's cool, been to his house. Aaronofsky? My wife's friend was his mentor... (but then
again, you may not "respect" the person that was his ment or.... but you know what... he sure did!
Helped him realize the films he's doing today). Fincher? He gets what he needs... no need to worry
about that.


Threads like this are bewildering to read... but I have faith that you'll eventually figure out what's up.

And by the way... Having the attitude that Spielberg is somehow holding you back from what you'd
"like" to do is absurd. If you "create" something worth while , the money will find it's way to you...
believe me! But first "YOU" have to create......



Jay
J
 
A.I. was based on a Kubrick script or at least treatment if I'm not mistaken, but it fell short never the less.

Spielberg cannot be denied, sure I hate the thought of his overproduced glitzy B.S. but overratted is harsh considering most filmakers and critics constantly degrade his work. Sure the everyday bonehead and little kid writing reports about movies love the guy but anyone with even a simple understanding of film probably won't be able to stomach his melodramatic and simplistic approach to filmaking.

But I respect the guy, he makes movies after all. But if he spent more time writing and directing and less time producing crap like the "animaniacs and an american tail" maybe we would see some growth.
 
Scorsese is 1 million times the director, yet he isn't recognized enough cause he doesn't make mainstream movies......I've seen most of Scorsese's films and I love eachone, not one I've seen I havn't enjoyed. I thin kthats rare a director can make so many films and they are all good, yet he isn't recognized. For Gods sake he hasn't gotten a friggin' Oscar and he's had MASTERPIECES called Goodfellas, Casino, Taxi Driver, Raging Bull!

I ask a lot of people at school what their fav movies are, Fast and the Furious for the guys, and A Walk to Remember for the girls. WHAT THE HELL. I don't know what point I'm trying to make, but I think I was saying how Scorsese is an unrecognized director, whereas Spielberg is credited for being the best a lot. I think Scorsese needs some credit for something.

-TacoWagonSuperFun!

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Just wanna' clarify on my whole "master of light thing."

Yeah, there is the DP, but who does the DP answer to?

That's right, we all know it, the director.
When I direct a movie, and I know for a fact Ol' Pete does this, NOTHING GOES WITHOUT MY SAY!

MY DP will move a light, I'll say no and move it somewhere else. Any self-respecting director will do that because HE IS THE DIRECTOR, and everything on screen is HIS VISION.

If you are going to get mad at me for calling them light masters because their DP's do it. Then Spielberg is not a master of special effects, because guess what folks, he pays someone to do that.

"What are you doing?"
"Oh . . .uh . . .nothin"
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> ...and tarantino are better<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In a topic that speaks almost solely about greatness, creativity and all the other **** that goes into directing, I would say (out of my own personal opinion) that Tarantino and Spielburg are basically one in the same... as far as greatness goes.

But are both over rated? I'd say so. Generally speaking, they both produce the same movies again and again. Which is good, they have developed style. But it's tiresome.

To me, Steve is the kinda' director who should be indie. For some reason, thats the aura the imminates from him.
But Tarantino (although probably untrue) throws off the impression of paranoid-drunk.

But that is my off the wall opinion. I really expect none to side with me on this one.

"We'll be able to get all the things we ever dreamed of... front, and rear spoilers for the cars!"
 
...like to appologize if any one thinks my opinion of Tarantino is dumbfounded. It has it's reasoning... and it probably goes way back to an extreme problem as a child. Actually, I was 18 at the time... but I'd care not to go into details. Just keep in mind that any time I go into a "why I dislike Tarantino" rant, it's because... something f*cked me up as a "adult".

Now, let's all have a chuckle at my stupidity!!

Hhahah! Sorry...

"We'll be able to get all the things we ever dreamed of... front, and rear spoilers for the cars!"
 
you didn't explain why u don't like Tarantino. Atleast with Spielrberg someone COULD say he does a lot of the same stuff....but Tarantino hasn't been involved in a whole lotta film...and he's still young (in my eye 40 years old is young) he still has decades to make films......he has 3 WWII scripts done......so expect new shît coming from him (if you think his gangster days are getting old that is
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But yeah, if he kept making gangster movies I'd be happy!)

-TacoWagonSuperFun!

KILL BILL - OPENS NATION WIDE OCTOBER 10th!!! THATS NEXT FRIDAY!!!!! AHHHH!!!!
 
What's wrong with Hook? I liked it. It looks WAY better than the new Peter Pan movie that's coming out.

"You may have seen more movies than me, but I've MADE more than you."
 
yeah, hook was a favorite of mine when i was a kid. people seem to give this movie a lot of crap for some reason.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rellik:

MY DP will move a light, I'll say no and move it somewhere else. Any self-respecting director will do that because HE IS THE DIRECTOR, and everything on screen is HIS VISION.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Umm.. actually no, the gaffer will move the light in both cases and frankly the gaffer answers to the D.P. not you. So if you want it moved you have to go to the D.P. and tell him to move it. He in turn will tell the gaffer. Go messing with a D.P.'s lighting scheme without informing him and you will find yourself on a film with no D.P. For everything in life there is a chain of command. Film is no exception. Remember the D.P. is as much an artist (and in some ways more of an artist) then the director. You wouldnt add red paint to a portrait a painter was making for you even though you are paying to have it painted. You wouldnt (or shouldnt) move lights in the frame the D.P. is "painting" for you.

Heck Sam Menedes wouldnt roll action on "American Beauty" or "Road To Perdition" until Conrad Hall gave him the go ahead. This isnt necessarily the rule but when you see what Conrad could do, you dont question it.

Just to clarify.
R. Mixchael

"Luck, is when opportunity, meets preperation." "There are 3 sides to every story. Yours, mine, and the truth, and none of us are lying" -Robert Evans
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Thanks for the clarification Tizzy, it's it a lot easier in to not get mad when people aren't personally attacking you.

I guess what I'm trying to say, yeah the DP is in control of the lighting, but doesn't everything he does have to go by the director in some way or another? It would be mass mayhem if everyone hired for something didn't answer to a higher boss.

And my main point was: if these people are going to get mad at me for calling them "masters of light" then they can't call Spielberg a "master of special effects" because that would mean the special effects team does that.

"What are you doing?"
"Oh . . .uh . . .nothin"
 
this kind of stuff always makes everyone freak out. For the most part I'd have to agree with Jay. People have said all sorts of crap on this topic. Someone said that if they had the power speilberg has they would make way better films. You don't know that, he is in a situation you cant even imagine, there are so many factors. Someone else said (I think it was Kyle) that spielberg has no defineite style, all his films are different. That is an extemely great quality. It is virsitilty, it is like he can do any style. Like Jay said, you have to respect him. Honestly, most of the people on the site will never be as great as speilberg, myself included. I'm not saying that none of us will, but think of how many filmmakers actually get really famous. The odds are against us. Don't think that I don't have confidence. I think I'm gonna be better than all of you, and you all think you're gonna be better than me and everyone else. Thats the way it has to be or we would never get anywhere. So keep your confidence, but respect your peers and learn from them.

-Geoff
 
but like I've said, it depends on what you think "famous" is. Everyone knows who Speilburg is......but not everyone knows who Scorsese is, and I think Scorsese needs a whole lot more credit than anyone. Scorsese is considered "famous" to filmmakers and filmlovers, but the general public? Hardly any of the people I go to school with know who the hell Scorsese is....I could ask them,"You know, that movie Goodfellas" and they go, "ooh yeah, Robert DeNiro" and I go, "Who directed it?" and they look at my clueless.....but if you as some ninny who directed Jurassic Park, Jaws, Schindler's List, or Catch Me if You Can they all know.

-TacoWagonSuperFun!

KILL BILL - OPENS NATION WIDE OCTOBER 10th!!! THATS NEXT FRIDAY!!!!! AHHHH!!!!
 

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